I Believe…

Just in case you were wondering, here is a detailed statement of what I believe stolen straight from Tyndale Seminary’s website (I have to sign it every year anyway).

I. The Scriptures

We believe all the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are inspired by God.  This refers to the autographs as written by the prophets and apostles. Thus the Bible is inerrant and without mistakes in the original. We believe Scripture reveals the mind of God to man, and points to the Lord Jesus Christ and the only way of Salvation through Christ. The Scriptures are the only infallible guide for our daily thought-life as well as our practical, moral, and spiritual instruction.

[Mark 12:26, 36; 13:11; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:39; Acts 1:16; 17:2-3; 18:28; 26:22-
23; 28:23; Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 2:13; 10:11; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:21]

II. The Interpretation of Scripture

In some ways interpretation of Scripture would not be considered doctrine, yet as it affects the way our doctrine is arrived at, it is extremely important, and so becomes an essential doctrinal issue.

Hermeneutics is the discipline of interpretation. There are indications in both Testaments as to the normative method of interpretation. Conservative, normal and literal hermeneutics takes a very tried and true approach to understanding the Bible that should include close observation of its grammatical and historical components.  It would argue for but one sense or meaning for each passage of Scripture, leaving no room for a complementary or theological approach. Though taking the Word of God literally, and at face value, in classical hermeneutics there is room for poetry, figures of speech, illustrations, types, and symbols, but these literary genres do not take away from the foundational or normal interpretative understanding of Biblical truth. Normal interpretation also argues for progressive revelation, i.e., that the Holy Spirit over a period of time revealed certain truths in a progressive fashion. For example, the revelation of Jesus Christ starts in Genesis, but is not fully complete until the book of Revelation

Literal interpretation stands in opposition to allegorical interpretation. Though the Apostle Paul in Galatians creates an allegory in order to make an isolated point or illustration (4:21-26), allegory as a system is but an unacceptable philosophical approach to understanding the Word of God. It is clearly contrary to proper Biblical interpretation.

[Luke 1:1-4; 24:35; 44-46, 48; John 21:20-23; Acts 10:8; 17:11-12; 26:6-7; 26-27]

III. The Godhead

We believe that the Godhead eternally exists in three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit – and that these three are one God, having the precise same nature, attributes, and perfections and worthy of precisely the same honor, confidence, and obedience.

[Mt. 28:18-19; Mk 12:29; Jn 1:14; Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 13:14; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-6]

IV. God’s Grace

We believe that according to the “eternal purpose” of God (Eph. 3:11) salvation in the divine reckoning is always “by grace through faith,” and rests upon the basis of the shed blood of Christ. We believe that God has always been gracious, regardless of the dispensation, but that man has not at all times been under an administration or stewardship of grace as is true in the present dispensation of the Church.

[Cor. 9:17; Eph. 3:2; 3:9; Col. 1:25; 1 Tim. 1:4]

V. The Sovereignty of God

Though God is Absolute Sovereign over all creation and history, He has a “determined plan for the whole world” and no one can alter His purposes (Isa. 14:26- 27).  What He has planned that He will accomplish (Isa. 46:11). And, He “works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will” (Eph. 1:11); “Surely as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will stand” (Isa. 14:24).  Sovereignty also extends to the providence of God whereby He sustains all creatures, giving them life and removing life as He pleases (Deut. 32:39). In sovereignty, all things were created for the glory of God and all things exist for Him (Rev. 4:11). The sovereignty of God also extends to the doctrine of divine election whereby those chosen by the council of the Lord’s own will, shall come to Him in faith.  And yet, even though difficult to reconcile in human understanding, the sovereignty of God does not remove the responsibility of man. He is not the author of sin. Yet in some mysterious way, His decrees include all that takes place in the universe.

[Jn. 6:37, 39, 44; Eph. 1:3-18; II Thess. 2:13; Hab. 1:6, 11; Acts 2:22-23, 36]

VI. Angels, Fallen and Unfallen

We believe that God created an innumerable company of sinless, spiritual beings, known as angels; that one, “the anointed cherub” – the highest in rank – sinned through pride, thereby becoming Satan; that a great company of the angels followed him in his moral fall, some of whom became demons and are active as his agents and associates in the prosecution of his unholy purposes, while others who fell are “reserved in everlasting chains under darkness until the judgment of the great day.”

[Isa. 14:12-17; Ezek. 28:11-19; 1 Tim. 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6]

VII. Man, Created and Fallen

We believe that man was originally created in the image and after the likeness of God, as God’s representative ‘vice-regent,’ and that he fell through sin, in consequence losing his spiritual life. As`fallen he is “dead in trespasses and sins”, and that he became subject to the reign of sin and the power of the devil. Paul adds that the lost are mentally blinded by Satan, the god of this world, and that the truth of the gospel is veiled from those who are destroying themselves (II Cor. 4:3-4).  The Word of God makes it clear, there is no one who seeks after God (Rom. 3:11).  So God has given mankind over to the lusts of his heart and to a depraved mind  (Rom. 1:24, 28). Theologically, this darkness of mind and heart has been rightly called Total Depravity (Rom 1:28).

Following the sin of Adam, man could only produce descendants who would be sinners. Therefore all mankind is under the death sentence and penalty of sin (Rom. 5:12-18) and thus are all condemned. Only through the reconciliation of Christ, by His death, are human beings who are enemies of God being saved (Rom. 5:10).  Sinners are justified by Christ’s blood, and are rescued from the wrath of God.

[Gen. 1:26; 2:17; 6:5; Ps. 14:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 17:9; Eph. 2:1-6]

VIII. The Incarnation of Christ

We believe that, as provided and purposed by God and as preannounced in the prophecies of the Scriptures, the eternal Son of God came into this world that He might reconcile men to God and become the Redeemer of a lost world. To this end He was born of the virgin, and received a human body and a sinless human nature. We believe that in fulfillment of prophecy He came first to Israel as her Messiah- King, and, being rejected of that nation, He gave His life as a ransom for all according to the eternal counsels of God.  We believe that, according to the Scriptures, He rose from the dead in the same body, though glorified, in which He had lived and died, and that His resurrection body is the pattern of that body which ultimately will be given to all believers.

[Luke 1:30-35; John 1:18; 3:16; Heb. 4:15; John 1:11; Acts 2:22-24; 1 Tim. 2:6; John
20:20; Phil. 3:20-21]

IX. Salvation Only through Christ

We believe that, owing to spiritual death through sin, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless born again; and that no degree of reformation however great, no attainment in morality however high, no culture however attractive, no baptism or other ordinance however administered, can help the sinner to take even one step toward heaven; but a new nature imparted from above, a new life implanted by the Holy Spirit through the Word, is absolutely essential to salvation, and only those thus saved are sons of God.

[John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 1:16-17; 3:22; Gal. 3:22]

X. The Believer Complete in Christ

Though the saved one may have occasion to grow in the realization of his blessings and to know a fuller measure of divine power through the yielding of his life more fully to God, he is, as soon as he is saved, in possession of every spiritual blessing and absolutely complete in Christ (positionally speaking), and is therefore, in no way required by God to seek a so-called “second blessing,” “second work of grace,” or a “second baptism.”

[1 Cor. 3:21-23; Eph. 1:3; Col. 2:10; 1 John 4:17; 5:11-12]

XI. The Extent of Salvation

We hold that Christ’s atonement was unlimited as to its provision for fallen humanity but limited as to its application to the elect. Thus, we reject the Reformed doctrine of Limited Atonement.

[2 Pet. 3:9; 1 Jn. 2:2; 1 Tim. 4:10]

XII. Lordship Salvation

We reject what is called Lordship Salvation. This teaching seems to go against the clear biblical teaching that salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing can be added to His work on the cross, or to the proclamation of one’s personal faith and trust in His finished work of eternal redemption.

XIII. Eternal Security

We believe God keeps eternally all those He has elected and called to salvation and that none are lost. God will, however, chasten and correct His own in infinite love; but having undertaken to save them and keep them forever, apart from all human merit, He, who cannot fail, will in the end present every one faultless in Christ, and
on His merits, before the presence of His glory and conformed to the image of His Son.  We believe that saints can have eternal assurance that they are the children of God and so are eternally kept by the power of God. This assurance gives confidence and peace, helping the believer grow in spiritual and maturity.

[John 5:24; 10:28; 13:1; Eph. 1:3-17; 1 John 5:13; Rom. 8:29; Eph. 1:3-17]

XIV. The Holy Spirit

We believe that the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity, though omnipresent from all eternity, took up His abode in the world in a special sense on the day of Pentecost according to the divine promise. By His baptism He unites all to Christ in one body and indwells every believer. As the indwelling One, He is the Source of all power, all acceptable worship and service, and all spiritual gifts.  We believe that the foundational spiritual gifts, such as tongues, prophecy, and knowledge, as well as the role of apostleship and the function of signs, miracles and wonders, have ceased.

[John 14:16-17; 16:7-15; 1 Cor. 6:19; 12:1-14: 31; Eph. 2:22; 2 Thess. 2:7]

XV. The Great Commission

We believe that it is the explicit command of our Lord Jesus Christ to make disciples in accordance with His Gospel, through evangelism of non-believers and instruction of believers, for the building up of the body of Christ.

[Mt. 28:18-19; John 17:18; Acts 1:8; 1 Pet 1:17; 2:11]

XVI. The Blessed Hope

We believe that the next great event in the fulfillment of prophecy will be the coming of the Lord in the air to receive to Himself into heaven both His own who are alive and remain unto His coming, and also all who have fallen asleep in Jesus, and that this event is the blessed hope set before us in the Scripture, and for this we should be constantly looking.

[John 14:1-3; 1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; Titus 2:11-14]

XVII. The Apostasy of the Church

Without designating a specific time table, the Apostle Paul warns of a “falling away” from the faith (2 Tim 4:1) that will lead to a heeding of deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons (I Tim 4:2) Paul simply says it will occur in the “later times” and produce hypocrisy and a searing of the conscience. This apostasy will be religious and moral in nature (II Tim 3:1-7) and will happen prior to the rapture of the Church and before the revelation of the son of destruction, the Antichrist (II Thess. 2:1-5). Paul further teaches that the seeds of apostasy are present in the Church but they will also completely mature in the last days, which he describes as “difficult times” (II Tim. 3:1).

XVIII. The Tribulation

We believe that the rapture of the church will be followed by the fulfillment of Israel’s seventieth week (Dan. 9:27; Rev. 6:1 -19:21) during which the church, the body of Christ, will be in heaven. The whole period of Israel’s seventieth week will be a time of judgment on the whole earth, at the end of which “the times of the Gentiles” will bebrought to a close.  The latter half of this period will be the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7), which our Lord called the great tribulation (Mt. 24:15- 21). We believe that universal righteousness will not be realized previous to the second coming of Christ, but that the world is day by day ripening for judgment and that the age will end with a fearful apostasy.

XIX. The Second Coming of Christ

We believe that the period of great tribulation in the earth will be climaxed by the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to the earth as He went. The millennial age will follow, with Satan bound. Israel will be restored to her own land and the Abrahamic Covenant will be fulfilled by the consummation of its three divisions – Land (Palestinian Covenant), Seed (Davidic Covenant), and Blessing (New Covenant finally brought to complete fruition). The whole world that survives will be brought to a complete knowledge of the Messiah.

[Deut. 30:1-10; Isa. 11:9; Ezek. 37:21; Jer. 31:31- on; Mt. 24:15 – 25:46; Acts 15:16-
17; Rom 8:19-23; 11:25-27; Rev. 20:1-3]

XX. The Eternal State

We believe that at death the spirits and souls of those who have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation pass immediately into His presence and there remain in conscious bliss until the resurrection of the glorified body when Christ comes for His own, whereupon soul and body reunited shall be associated with Him forever in glory; but the spirits and souls of the unbelieving remain after death conscious of condemnation and in misery until the final judgment of the Great White Throne at the close of the millennium, when soul and body reunited shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.

[Luke 16:19-26; 23:42; 2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 2 Thess. 1:7-9; Judge 6 – 7; Rev.
20:11- 15]

XXI. Dispensationalism

We believe that the Bible presents the fact that God has not always dealt with mankind the same way in every age. According to Biblical terminology these distinct periods are called “administrations” in regard to the purpose of God or “stewardships” concerning the responsibility of man as originated from the New Testament usage of the Greek word, oikonomia. We believe that classical or traditional dispensationalism is the system that best represents the Biblical teaching on this matter. Classical or traditional dispensationalism is distinguished by a consistent literal interpretation; a clear distinction between Israel and the Church; taking into account progressive revelation; recognizing the glory of God as the ultimate purpose of God in the world

[Eph.1:10 3:2, 9]

XXII. On Current Issues

We believe that corruptive influences have always been working against the Church, the body of Christ. Along with immoral forces, we reject the man-created philosophies of secular humanism, materialism, evolution, feminism, and the influences of secular psychology. While some truths may be imprinted into these and other opinion, basically, they run counter to the revealed truths of Scripture.

[Rom. 1:18-32; 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim 1:8-11]

XXIII. Women and Ministry

We believe that in the body of Christ men and women stand spiritually equal and constitute the Church universal. We believe women have had and always will have their God-given gifts and roles within this body. Accordingly, as the primary role of believing men is to be husbands and fathers, so the primary role of women is to be wives and mothers. We encourage women to have personal ministries, but the Scriptures are clear that male leadership is called to the local church positions of deacon, elder, and pastor-teacher. No amount of debate can water down what the Bible says about the individual and distinct callings of both sexes, in regard to gifts and positions. We encourage women to pursue study but the role of pastor-teacher is Biblically reserved for men.

[1 Tim. 2:9-15; 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9; 2:1-8; I Cor. 14:34-35]

XXIV. Openness of God

We reject what is known as the Openness of God theory that says, in so many words, that God does not know the future. He is “open” to the free choices people make, and then responds to their free agency. This view violates the omniscience of God. It also violates the fact that in sovereignty, He has ordained all things. As difficult a doctrine as this is, it is still clearly stated in Scripture. The view of the Openness of God should be considered a heresy.

[Isa. 44:24-28; 45:3-7, 18-21; Rom. 8:28-30; 11:36; Acts 15:18]

XXV. Progressive Dispensationalism

We reject the theories of Progressive Dispensationalism. The central disturbing tenet in this view is that the Lord Jesus Christ is now reigning on the throne of David in heaven. We reject the complementary hermeneutic, including the use of the “already/not yet” as an interpretive principle. We also reject the softening of progressive revelation and the forcing of a false continuity between the Testaments.  The Lord is seated at the right hand of the Father presently in glory, but this is not the prophesied Davidic rule that will take place in time and history.

[Lk. 2:32-33; Rev. 3:21; 1 Cor. 10:32]

23 thoughts on “I Believe…

  1. I am curious regarding your rejection of Lordship Salvation. One of the best explanations of this doctrine is found at http://www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/A114.

    Although I admit that I have not read your blog extensively, nothing that I have read seems to contradict this explanation of the doctrine.

    Can you look at the above link and explain how your beliefs differ?

    Thank you.

    In HIm,



    1. Hello, Scott,

      I tried the link that you sent, but it sent me to a page that said file not found.

      When I began seminary I was a devoted follower of John MacArthur; not in a worshipful sense but as one who admired his teaching. As I was taught to study Scripture and delve into the Greek text it became all too clear that MacArthur and the Lordship view are wrong. Much of what is wrong is that they depend upon a faulty understanding of what repentance is. The message of repentance is proclaimed mainly to a Jewish audience in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. It was the same message that the OT prophets continually brought to rebellious Israel. To understand repentance one must trace it back into the Old Testament. The Hebrew word most closely reflecting the true meaning of the Greek metanoeo is the word shuv – turn, return. As Malachi 3:7 states, “Return to Me and I will return to you,’ says the Lord of hosts.” One Bible scholar described using the word repent to translate metanoeo as possibly the worst choice available. Metanoeo means to change one’s mind or attitude concerning something. Acts speaks of the act of repenting in reference to Gentiles as Paul described his message of “repentance (change of mind or beliefs) toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.” Change of attitude toward God exercising faith in Jesus Christ.
      Another issue in much of what Lordship teaches is the blurring of distinction between Israel and the Church. For instance, the reading of the Church into Matthew allows Dr. MacArthur to conclude that the Sermon on the Mount is an evangelistic sermon when it is far from it. It is a message to disciples concerning the Kingdom that had come near with the presence of the Messiah. He was teaching those who were following Him what was expected of disciples in preparation for His kingdom. If the sermon is evangelistic it would be teaching a works based salvation.
      Still another issue is the fact that John’s gospel never even uses the word repent, and his is the gospel most closely associated with the current Church age. The English words believe, believed, and believes are used in some 84 verses in John’s gospel, in some cases multiple times in a single verse. The emphasis is on believing in Jesus for salvation, not in the common idea of repent (from the Old French, re, meaning again, and Latin penitire meaning “to regret” with a feeling of sorrow). When a Hindu turns to Jesus for salvation there is a great change of mind from believing Jesus is one of a countless number enlightened gurus who lead you down one of many paths to salvation to believing in Jesus as the only way of salvation.
      Many who hold to Lordship believe that one must first turn away from their sin in the sense of deciding not to sin again (something which most lost people have done on multiple occasions), and/or confess verbally Jesus as Lord, and/or make Jesus Lord of your life, and the list can go on in some cases. All of that is adding to the gospel message Paul gave to the Philippian jailer, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Believing or trusting in Jesus for salvation is simple enough that I child can do it. Add all of the theological conditions to it and I would say that it would have been very difficult for me at the age of seven to have become a Christian. Most if not all unbelievers are incapable of understanding issues such as the Lordship of Christ, and Paul taught as much – 1 Corinthians 2:14.
      Beyond these issues listed there has been a great negative impact upon the body of Christ stemming from the mindset that develops in many of those who hold to the Lordship view. It lends itself to a legalistic attitude, a tendency towards “fruit inspecting,” that results in condemn anyone who doesn’t act quite like the one judging believes another should act. It leads to comments like were uttered at the Strange Fire conference (the conference premise of which I would agree) that there is no way someone who teaches (fill in the blank) can be a Christian (technically I agree, but they may still be a saved person), as well as the idea that there is no such thing as a fleshly (“carnal” KJV) Christian. If you don’t act saved then you’re not saved. That would surely have condemned the Corinthian Church to hell, as well as the Galatian church, and me.
      To summarize, I don’t agree with Lordship salvation because it is not biblical. I believe in Lordship discipleship, but not Lordship salvation. I also wish there were different ways to frame the argument because Jesus Christ is Lord regardless if I choose to allow Him to be Lord of my life or not.
      Scott, I’m sure this will not solve the issue but I’ve done my best to give you an answer in a relatively short response.
      Thanks for reading.


  2. I could not find a “contact” anywhere, so I hope you don’t mind me asking my question here. I wasn’t sure where else to ask it. I strongly believe in the FREE gift of salvation, not of works so no person could ever have reason to boast. So strongly in fact that I’m really having a hard time these past 2 years. How does one know if the Pastor you sit under and the church you attend as suddenly taken a “Lordship Salvation” doctrinal stance. How does one approach the Pastor who will not listen to anyone unless they are “well versed in their Scriptures, been through there bible a few times, and comes with Scripture to him??”


    1. I feel for your predicament. If your pastor, as your comment suggests, seeks to avoid being confronted with contrary beliefs, then he should be gently rebuked. Elders and pastors should always entertain legitimate questions with the idea that he/they can assist the flock to grow or have their own beliefs more aligned with Scripture. First, your need to spend some time in prayer and ask the Father for wisdom in how to proceed. Then I would recommend that you search the Scriptures and find what God has to say concerning the subject. To help you in your search three books will be of great assistance: 1.) He That Is Spiritual by Lewis Sperry Chafer, 2.) So Great Salvation by Charles C. Ryrie and 3.) Balancing the Spiritual Life, Charles C. Ryrie. All three are must reads for any Christian. However, use them to help you search the Scriptures and then formulate your argument. Finally, schedule a meeting with your pastor and see what comes of it. If you are not satisfied with the outcome, then you will again need to seek the Lord’s wisdom and decide if you can remain in the church. If you decide you need to leave the church then there are other things to consider than this one issue, but that discussion is for another time.
      I do not envy your situation. This is a heated issue and it cuts to the very heart of the gospel and is a matter of man’s eternal soul.
      May God bless you and lead you in your study and meeting with your pastor.


      1. Thank you very much for such a quick response. I appreciate your answer in light of the situation which you are unable to know every detail. I appreciate that you were not condemning in anyway. My family are definitely continuing forward prayerfully, seeking to glorify God. Thank you.


      2. I thought I had responded to this. If I have then I’m sorry for the repeat. It doesn’t show in my notes that you ever received my reply. So I just want to thank you for your response and I pray that you will be able to find a church that you can worship and grow in. God bless.


  3. No, I’m not missing the point. I just have one question. Could you point to me in Scripture where it says that the gifts of the Spirit (tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy, wisdom, faith, knowledge, etc.) were only for the 1st century church and not for the church of the 2nd through 21st centuries?


  4. Jesus said, “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32, NIV). My advice would be to be very careful in your condemnation of the miraculous. If you’re calling something demonic, you had better be really sure. The Pharisees accused Jesus of driving out demons by Beelzebub and the aforementioned verse was his response.


    1. Are you missing the point on purpose? I have repeatedly stated that God, God the Holy Spirit, is still working miracles today. The SIGN GIFTS have ceased since their purpose was to testify to the veracity and God-originated message and to the veracity and authority of the messengers. Are some, of the practices or occurrences in charismatic churches demonic? Quite possibly, but most are simply misguided people, leaders included, while a few are simply charlatans who use their position as a means of financial gain as Paul warned both Timothy and Titus – 1 Tim. 6:5; Titus 1:7, 10, 11.


  5. It is no wonder that the mainline denominations have declined so greatly. They have “ceased” believing. My prayer is that a “Great Awakening” would occur in these churches.


    1. I’m not in a mainline denomination. We are not affiliated with any denomination. We are a Bible church and we follow what the Bible teaches. We don’t rely on experience to lead us. We are led by the Spirit as we obey the Word of God. We too are praying for an awakening to occur – a revival where the Church will return to the authority of the Word of God and not mystical experiences for which the rest of the world is looking. It is no wonder that the whole world will be deluded into following a man like the antichrist when he works his lying signs and wonders because most of the world is seeking some sort of mystical spirit guide to lead them through life.


      1. Steve, I hope that I have not offended you. I just hope that you will come to know what it means to be filled with the Spirit and have the gifts (all of them) in operation in your life. I will be praying for you. God bless you. Scott


      2. Thanks, Scott. I covet your prayers. God bless.


  6. “instead of God’s word then no amount of testimony from God’s word can persuade that one otherwise.” God’s Word is full of Scripture on healing: Isaiah 53:5, “by his stripes we are healed;” James 5:15, “the prayer of faith will save the sick person;” Psalm 103, “who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases;” etc.


    1. If you will notice, each of those passages are dealing with God working to heal not the spiritual gift of healing that is possessed by a believer. I will reiterate, God is still in the healing business. I’ve witnessed His miraculous healing in a good friend of mine over the past several months. Yet the work has been His partially in response to our prayers, but completely in accordance with his will and apart from anyone in our church possessing the gift of healing.

      Beware of false signs and wonders – 2Thess. 2:9-10; 1Tim. 4:1


  7. Actually, you said, “the function of signs, miracles and wonders, have ceased.” I would invite you, however, to any charismatic church, whatever the denomination, or to any Pentecostal church to see all of the gifts in operation. These have not ceased; they are and have been in operation in the Church. God bless you.


    1. Just because a church does something doesn’t make it right or biblically sound.


    2. I’m not sure who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Is there another comment that you are responding to from someone that is not showing up on my site? Neither I nor the church I pastor are charismatic.


  8. “We believe that the foundational spiritual gifts, such as tongues, prophecy, and knowledge, as well as the role of apostleship and the function of signs, miracles and wonders, have ceased.” I was just speaking to my father and mother less than an hour ago about my father’s middle sister who was completely “run over” by a 1950 Ford when she was about 16 months old. She was rushed, not to a hospital, but to the pastor’s home for prayer. She recovered with no medicine, and she had no internal injuries. She was divinely healed. Try telling my Aunt Janet, who is now in her sixties, that “miracles and wonders have ceased.”


    1. Thanks for reading. You have missed what my statement said. I never said that miracles etc. have ceased. The statement clearly says that the gifts, the sign gifts have ceased. God still does miraculous wonders by His own will. However, the gifts of signs and wonders and miraculous healing have ceased. There is a big difference between what I wrote and what you believe that I wrote.


    2. One other thing, when one relies on experience as the gauge of reality and truth instead of God’s word then no amount of testimony from God’s word can persuade that one otherwise.


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